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Thursday, July 19, 2012

When NOT to Protest: John Yoo

 

My school had John Yoo to come and speak about a book he wrote about globalization and international law. 

In case you don't know who Yoo is, he is a legal scholar who during the Bush Administration worked for the Justice Dept (Assistant Deputy Attorney General). There, he authored several infamous legal memos, including the "Torture memo", which interpreted Presidential powers so broadly that actions normally considered torture under Geneva would not be considered torture for purposes of the "War on Terror".

Once, he was asked, "If the president deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop him?" John Yoo said "I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that."



So yes, John Yoo is one evil man. 

Most of us were intrigued enough to sit in for the panel discussion. But some kids were pissed. They posted signs for boycotting the meeting and staged a silent walk-out during the meeting, holding illustrative flyers as they left the room, drawing the attention of at least a hundred thirty faculty students, and the distinguished guest himself. They were not angry at Yoo as they were at my school for letting him speak. 

Before the meeting, my friend (let's call her Mary), handed me one of the flyers and invited me to join the protest. I told her I'd consider it, but I knew I wouldn't, since I wanted to sit for the meeting and listen in. Right as the discussion was about to start, people were murmuring about the protesters, and I was asked again why I didn't join (all my friends were in on it.) I recited what I had prepared rehearsing all afternoon: "Because I don't believe one should exercise her freedom of speech so as to prevent another from exercising his."

Don't get me wrong: I'm all for assembly, and I think torture is morally awful (but I think the issues are much more complex than people are willing to concede). But I do not believe one should ever protest allowing a scholar to speak, only because they find his views morally repugnant. A more enriching response is to attend the meeting and listen to what he has to say. Allow yourself to digest his words. Re-think your own views and consider whether he's clarified his views at all. Then, if you still hold to your views, there is such a thing as Q+A. 

The panel discussion, by the way, was excellent, but I found Yoo's views on international law almost silly. He thinks no treaty that the U.S. is a party to places binding legal obligations on the U.S. I challenged him on that point, arguing that that flies against the Constitution's supremacy clause, which holds all treaties authorized by Congress to be supreme law of the land. His response was less than satisfying. 

But I came home that night enriched. I understood some of the man's views. I wholeheartedly disagree with them. And I feel that those kids who stormed off missed out on a great discussion. 

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Asian Clarance Thomas got trolled! =P


But seriously, yeah. If I were in law school, and I could, I'd take his classes.

Posted 7/20/2012 12:16 AM by Celestial_Teapot - recommend - reply

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I agree. People are quick to jump on group think band wagons without getting what they might out of this kind of deal. Good for you.
Posted 7/20/2012 3:09 AM by NightCometh Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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@NightCometh - It's not a group think band-wagon when the remonstrances of the sign-wielders are on solid jurisprudencial footing.
Posted 7/20/2012 7:45 AM by Celestial_Teapot - recommend - reply

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I wouldn't have protested either. I'd just have trolled the hell out of him and then complimented him on his consistent support of fascist policies.

@Celestial_Teapot - Not to mention solid moral footing as well.
Posted 7/20/2012 8:29 AM by Nous_Apeiron - recommend - reply

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It takes some intestinal fotitude to listen to things that you patently disgree with in order to gain the wisdom from them.

Posted 7/20/2012 11:11 AM by blonde_apocalypse Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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"I don't believe one should exercise her freedom of speech so as to prevent another from exercising his."

That is a truly noble sentiment.
Posted 7/20/2012 11:52 AM by suicide_king23 - recommend (1) - reply

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WOW!
Posted 7/20/2012 12:46 PM by LadyboyRevolution - recommend - reply

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What's wrong with you kids? Torture is not some abstract notion. Real people suffer horrendous consequences. It's all of our responsibilities to stop it.
Posted 7/20/2012 4:34 PM by wexit - recommend - reply

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@Celestial_Teapot -  I would too! (And I'd take an internship at the DOJ in a heartbeat.)
Posted 7/20/2012 7:40 PM by nyclegodesi24 - recommend - reply

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@NightCometh -  yeaah, group think is a big problem among college kids who are smart enough to think through issues but would rather be taught what to think by their peers. i noticed that among my classmates that even though they consider themselves "liberal", most of them, when pressed as to why they think what they think about some issues, lack their own original basis for it.

@Nous_Apeiron -  heh yeah, it's a very rare opportunity to be able to participate in a Q+A. John Yoo doesn't have to listen to protesters, but he has to listen to someone in an audience at his own panel discussion.

@blonde_apocalypse -  "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle
Posted 7/24/2012 11:08 AM by nyclegodesi24 - recommend - reply

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@nyclegodesi24 -  Good point. Sometimes being a captive audience has its advantages.
Posted 7/24/2012 12:50 PM by Nous_Apeiron - recommend - reply

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Posted 7/31/2012 10:55 AM by nyclegodesi24 - recommend - reply

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I love hearing things like that. I understand why people would be upset but I definitely would have been one of the ones that sat in on it. I take any chance I can get to hear and better understand peoples' views. Especially when they are different than my own.
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